Jill Stein on the Green New Deal

Today Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein (@jillstein2012) will talk about her campaign for a Green New Deal and how to reform and restructure American.

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14 Responses to Jill Stein on the Green New Deal

  1. juliet bravo says:

    Great interview, but I still agree with Sam and caller Michael (?) – why lose steam building a new party from scratch instead of the grubby but more cost effective business of rehabbing the existing structure of the Democratic party (and thereby restoring it to its original platform?)

    • LloydCenter says:

      I can see flipping that argument though. Think of how much ‘steam’ has been lost within the Democratic party in the wake of Obama. Remember, his was an insurgency against the Dem-Establishment forces that lined up with Hilary in 2012..

      So where did his ‘steam’ go? It was spent on electing a candidate that, almost immediately, turned out to be in the thrall of the Wall St. casinos. What if we had a principled candidate, and party infrastructure, fully vested in a different political economic vision? If voters got behind such a new vision, like they did with Obama’s 2012 insurgency, we wouldn’t run the risk of losing all our ‘steam’ in one fell swoop to the status-quo elements of our party.

    • Michael G. says:

      As long as the democrats have to fight in a 2-party showdown, you will never ever see the realization of the policies that Jill Stein and many of the listeners of this show advocate, because the democrats just can’t afford to lose any swing votes.

      Just 2 examples: Obama can’t afford to even talk about climate change in this election, even though it is one if not the most pressing issue on the table, simply because the GOP flat out denies its existence. There is not even ground for debate on this issue in the political landscape (and there is actually no need for debate, as the facts are already in).

      And he certainly wouldn’t dare to criticize Wall St. as much as they deserve, because he’s dependent on their money.

      With an independent third party, while you might not be able to have strong representation in congress at the beginning, you can still noticeably transform the national discourse on all kinds of topics. As soon as the “news” media can’t play their partisan games and present politics as a three ring circus anymore (or at least as soon as they encounter more difficulties due to the presence of a third party that has some actual programmatic demands), the whole debate on many issues will start to change.And I think that is the great benefit of additional parties.

    • BeVan Presley says:

      Clinging to the idea that the Democratic Party infrastructure can be taken over by progressives would mean that the Whig Party would still be around today, because the progressive half of the Whigs split the party over the issue of slavery in the new territories in the mid 1800’s. This lead to the death of the Whigs and the start of the Republican Party, by a small group of dedicated people, to paraphrase Margaret Meade.

      As Mario Savio said, “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!”

      Jill Stein echoed this sentiment in her “been there, done that” analysis of the “take over” attempts of drop-out Democrats who are now Greens. What she said about the relationship between popular movements and the political parties that give them voice is right on. This also happened in the early 1900’s, when Teddy Roosevelt formed the Progressive Party.

      Obama puts the opposition to sleep, and then his and the establishment Democrats’ stealth policies (e.g., signing the NDAA on New Year’s Eve — thanks also to Al Franken, who voted for it) become worse than Bush’s.

      Third parties have a way of pushing the establishment parties, at least rhetorically, and raising issues, that diffuse movements such as Occupy don’t, vis a vis the election cycle. (The type of direct actions that Mario Savio and Chris Hedges advocate, and do, are another tactic, along with organizing & education).

      Sam: Can you interview Ralph Nader or Tarik Ali on these subjects?

      Minnesota Member


  2. SaddyBoy says:

    if ron paul pcinheads can try an insurgency, so too can little lefties to the Dems 😉

  3. sparkliness says:

    As a European transplant, I find the europhobia meme utterly mystifying. What is it about a drastically better quality of life that leaves these clowns shivering in a pool of their own piss? Is it the all cheese they’ve been told they’d have to force down or the fear of other languages or what? The left ought to be shouting out proud how fantastic socialism is, rather than yelping away to lick whimperingly every measly flesh wound these theocratic mad dogs inflict. They successfully turned the word liberal into an epithet roughly synonymous with encrusted dogcrap…
    where’s the line for fucks sake?

  4. Thanks to caller Michael for the Marx Bros. reference (Horse Feathers) which, while not their best, is far better than most.

  5. SenorBean says:

    I thought this was better than Randi Rhodes yelling “I can’t afford you!” at Nader in ’04.


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